Edited to add answers to questions you're all raising in your comments. I'll keep adding answers as needed.
About a week and a half ago we were asked by our landlord to make an "as is" offer on our house. Initially we chose to just tell a few people about the opportunity. We didn't want to be giving play-by-play updates, thinking it would be easier to just tell people either that we bought our house or that we were moving to another rental.
I had a conversation with a neighbor last night, one of the few people we'd told, and she brought up some points I never would have considered. That made me realize that we're trying to blaze our way through uncharted territory on our own.
So, we've changed our minds. Actually, I've changed. Tim was open to telling people from the start. We'd love to get some practical feedback, things to factor in, options to consider, etc.
If you know me at all, then you know how badly I want to own a home. And I love, love, love where we're at. We live in a great neighborhood with a great yard and adequate space for our family. I would love to own this house. On the other hand, I don't want to have a home that owns us. I don't want to get in over our heads financially, both in monthly payments and in cost of repairs. Timing is everything.
I'll give you some things to consider before you give feedback.
* We have no down payment. The combination of Tim's salary (which is adequate for living) and the cost of housing make saving for a down payment virtually impossible.
* We are not willing to have me to go work in order to buy a home.
* Our house is livable, but needs some money poured into it (roof, exterior paint, possibly siding, fencing, windows, insulation, etc).
* While we're willing to learn, we don't have any experience in "do it yourself" house repairs.
* We've had a couple different loan amounts quoted to us that would probably be acceptable offers for our landlord, but they'd be a stretch for us.
* The increase in our monthly bills may be negated by a decrease in our state & federal taxes. (Stacey, feel free to chime in here!!)
* Our landlord does not have to sell. He planned on selling this rental when he retired, which he did in the spring. He and his wife are simply giving us a first chance at buying it.
* We've already factored in the cost of maintaining the house, paying for repairs, etc. and would only move forward if we could budget a cushion for those expenses.
* If we don't buy the house, they will sell it to someone else.
* As much as we love where we're at, we realize it's not the only place we could be happy.
* We have not been given a starting point in negotiating a price.
What we're thinking, and we'd love for you to tell us if you think we're wrong, is that we should get things done in the following order.
1. Get pre-qualified for the loans we've been offered.
2. Skip an appraisal (we've had a market analysis done on the house already and have an idea of what it could sell for).
3. Get an inspection.
4. Get bids on the cost of whatever repairs are needed.
5. Deduct the cost of repairs from the estimated cost of the house (and this seems wonky, like maybe we should be deducting these costs from what this house would be worth if it was all in tip-top shape ... so maybe we should get an appraisal).
6. Make an offer (assuming, of course, that we could afford the payments the loan would require).
Or maybe we should get an appraisal with the inspection results factored in. I'm assuming that would mean the appraised value would factor in the cost of repairs. Right?
Can you tell we've never bought a house before?
Honestly, the whole thing makes me battle against myself. I hate debt with a passion. The borrower is truly slave to the lender. So, there's a part of me that would love to get school debt paid off, then spend the rest of our lives in rentals or in a house that the Lord miraculously allows us to get into debt free. On the other hand, I see house debt a little differently than other debt, primarily because the value of the thing you've gone into debt for will appreciate. Our current economy proves that doesn't always pan out the way you expect, but overall that's the way house debt works. So, I go back and forth between wanting to just put all our extra effort into getting school debt paid off and thinking this opportunity may be our chance to enter the world of home ownership.
Anyway, when we told the first few people we asked them to pray for us to have wisdom. That's still what we want.
However, we'd also like feedback to help us sort through our options. If we buy the house, then it will truly be because the Lord worked it out. We have no way to manipulate it into working. If we pass up the opportunity, then I know the Lord will have something perfect for us when the time is right.
We just need to make a decision. We want it to be a wise and educated one.
10 comments:
I don't have advice. Just basic facts, really.
Ownership means that when something needs fixing - you have to pay for it. Everything. So - think about how often you have to call the Llord to take care of something and think about whether or not it would be something you would be able to add to your expenses.
For us, dh is "mr. Fix-it" so it isn't a huge difference. But for many - this can really add up. Especially in an older home.
One thing that I don't think people think about when they buy a house is what are you going to do when the furnace breaks, the roof leaks (like what happened to us the other day. We were quoted $1120 to fix it, although Terry, another guy, and his brother fixed it and saved quite a chunk), the plumbing leaks, etc? Do you have any money set aside for those types of emergencies? Believe me, they will come. Can you afford the property taxes? Are you going to be so bogged down financially that you aren't going to be able to do other things as a family that you want to do? Are you comfortable with the house payment? Does it cover home owners insurance and property taxes? Are the closing costs financed into the loan? Are you going to be able to afford other maintenance that needs to be done in the future? If you can only afford the house payment and will have no other money set aside for emergencies, don't do it! The house will own you, and you will feel bogged down financially. That's just my 2 cents from being a homeowner and knowing unexpected things come up out of the blue that have to be taken care of.
Hey Bethany,
We bought our rental house in Oct. Circumstances were a little different, since the builder/owner was going into foreclosure, and if we didn't buy it, it would be bought by someone else and we would have been out.
We ended up buying it at auction and got a totally miraculous deal. So, on paper at least, we made a bunch of $$ on it.
In your situation, why is the landlord selling? Does he NEED to sell? Buying it "as is" you should be able to get a pretty darn good deal.
Also, if you don't buy it, will he put it on the market and sell it out from under you?
If that's the case, I guess I would think about how much do I love the house, and what is the likelihood of finding something comparable.
An inspection is a must - and you will have to pay for that, since he's selling "as is." Has the landlord given you a starting place to negotiate from?
I'll be praying for you guys!
Kristi in the Country
My husband looks at owning real estate as a bit of a forced savings account. When you pay rent, it disappears. When you pay a mortgage, it eventually becomes equity. So I personally think owning a home is good stewardship.
However, I'm not sure it is safe anymore to assume that real estate will appreciate eventually. The Baby Boomers are on their way to retirement homes. The demographics just don't support it, imho.
If you are buying a home "as is" you should get more than a break comparable to what it would cost to fix things. It should be a good enough price to be an incentive to buy it. There are plenty of foreclosures on the market right now that you could get an amazing deal on a really nice house. Check with a realtor in your area first to see what kind of deals are available in your area. NEVER be emotionally attached to a house. Your family can be just as happy in a different one.
Blessings and Prayers,
Melanie
Hmmm, big step! Now *is* a good time to buy, but I agree with the other comments--owning a home is a huge commitment. Things break, leak, property taxes go up, insurance goes up--you have to have something set aside for unexpected costs. If you cannot do the work yourself, home repairs are expensive.
On the upside, I read an article the other day that listed your city (you are in B, right?) as one of the top 10 places in the country to raise kids. It sounds like your location is perfect.
In your shoes, I'd sit down and figure out what kind of payment you are comfortable with--can you leave yourself any wiggle room? Budget in the cost of taxes, ins and a slush fund. Talk to the bank and get pre qualified for what you can afford and, if all that works out, make an offer.
Good luck!
Thea
Like anything else in life, home ownership comes with some headaches and some joys. We're lucky in that my husband is a Mr. Fix-It kind of guy so anything that has gone wrong, he's been able to deal with.
It is true that if anything breaks, you will have to deal with it, but honestly, if the house is in fairly good shape, those things are not a big deal. Our issues have been fixing the garbage disposal, replacing tile, etc. Nothing really major. The only big thing we had was the air conditioner, which in Texas, HAS to be fixed because you could literally die without it in this weather.
We had that professionally fixed since the hubs couldn't do it. A bit of a cost, but it's part of home ownership and something you will have to save for - the unexpected repairs.
I agree with some of the other advice:
1. Find out why your landlord wants to sell and if you don't buy, will he put the house on the market?
2. Contact some real estate agents in your area - get a buyer's agent. That person can help you with a lot of these questions and can help you negotiate with the landlord. It's their job to do so.
I suspect that once you talk to the agent, you'll have a better view on what to do and where to go from here.
I'll pray for you!
Thanks for all the feedback. I've answered some of your questions in red font. :)
Didn't read all the comment so someone may have already asked.
What would it cost to rent another house in your area. I know for us, if we move to a different rental the price would be much higher (yes, even in this economy). So my thought was... if you don't buy it and he sells, how much to rent another home that you like? Might be cheaper to buy.
You would definitely need to set aside some for the unexpected though. We have owned and we have rented. Much less hassle and less expensive to call the landlord when the furnace dies or the water heater goes out.
Praying for you!
Wow, what an exciting (and nerve-racking) opportunity! Here are just some assorted thoughts...take 'em for what they're worth:
I totally agree with Melanie about home ownership vs. rental. Owning a home, although a huge and somewhat scary investment, is financially beneficial as long as you budget your payments accordingly. You're gaining equity rather than just seeing your rent money disappear. I know it doesn't work for everyone, but I'm very thankful to be in that situation.
A thought about maintenance and repairs - there definitely are things you could do yourself, and could learn to do yourself, but even not wanting to risk a big project disaster, there are some really reasonable contractors/handymen out there who can do bigger jobs for less than you'd think. We recently found a great guy to work with, so if you're ever in need, I'd be happy to pass on his info. He did over 5 hours of work on our house last week for only $200. Parts included!
Also when it comes to repairs, is there a way to negotiate with your landlord so that they have some of the bigger-ticket things done before you buy? That way you'd be able to pay for the big repairs as part of your mortgage, in more manageable bite-sized pieces, than paying tons upfront for a new roof or something. Just a thought.
Another thing to consider - I completely agree with your guys' stance on being a single-income household, and we're doing the same thing. Additionally, though, we are open to the Lord's direction when it comes to me supplementing our income from home. Whether that's watching someone else's kiddo when they have to work for a short season, or selling handmade stuff on Etsy, or even someday starting up a small home business...there are lots of ideas floating around, and the only reason we haven't jumped on one is because we haven't felt the Lord's clear direction in that area quite yet. But we're open to it and ready to do it if He guides that way. I can imagine with three kiddos, and doing homeschool, that time is on a huge budget too, but it's just something to consider. I hope the Lord will soon direct me to some kind of supplemental income-earning thing (from home), because I'd really like to help out in that way...especially since we have several health restrictions and personal convictions that keep us from being able to budget (on food) anywhere near as well as you guys. It's all give-and-take, you know - the Lord blesses each of us with our portion, and we have to decide how to allocate it. I'm hoping that eventually a supplemental income from home would allow us to allocate even more to others, saving for adoption, etc.
Sorry to ramble...just many random assorted thoughts, hopefully some are helpful!
Praying for wise and discerning hearts in the land of curly hair :)
We had a landlord once offer us an opportunity to buy our rental. We wanted to do it in the worst way, but financially, it just wasn't even remotely possible. Every year or so he'd ask if we were thinking of buying yet, because he was thinking of listing. He died in a tragic accident, and the place had to be sold to settle the estate. His widow offered it to us first as well, and confided in us that he wanted to sell to us from the day he met us, and the price he was willing to sell to us was way below what the house ended up selling for.
All that to say that you should simply talk to the landlord. Find out what he wants for the place. If he's retired, he may just not want the hassle of dealing with the property- coupled with an "as is" sale, he may be ready and waiting to bless you with a killer price. THEN see if you can get a mortgage pre-approval if his price is something you think you can work with. If his price is not something you can work with, you have your answer.
~Lady Marmalade
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